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Post by Ernest » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:49 am

Prince Harry and Meghan are set to live in a "normal life" whatever that be, divided between Canada and the UK, a decision made jointly for their sake and peace of mind.

The decision that they have made has been treated by the media as bit of a Circus and they have been disrespected by so many commentators and accused of greed and a whole lot worse.

The Queen and Royal Household appear to have met their wishes in quite a harsh new reality for them. Removal of any access to their status as Royals, he has had to give up much and is also having to find 2.4 million pounds to repay the money paid from the Queens grant for their home at Frogmore Cottage. On the face of it it will bankrupt them, but I presume that they have accepted that if they want to retain their UK base, they will have to pay a market rent for the property.

Longer term, they will no doubt be able to earn enough to care for themselves, but the costs of security, estimated as hundreds of thousands of £ per year will be an issue. They must have considered that and believe that they can cope, at least I hope that they have?

It is obvious that Harry has never fully recovered from his parents divorce and his mothers early death. He acknowledges that this has caused him ongoing mental health issues, and he has been an inspiration for many, particularly veterans in that respect. And his creation of the "Invicta" games provides outlets in sport for many disabled veterans of all nationalities - this will probably be one major focus of his future activities.

I am praying :votive1: :votive1: for them as a family to find the peace that has been so elusive in their marriage and that they are given the peace to live their lives as they wish. One issue pending is the ongoing court cases against some media outlets, which given the publicity and participation of Meghans family, might get very messy.

Their wisdom in taking this stance against intrusive media which has allegedly invented stories about them, or worse, paid family members and former employee's to "dish the dirt" seems to point towards a difficult and protracted hearing, unless it is settled beforehand. The Daily Mail seem intent upon defending their case strongly, sadly, atypical of the UK tabloids media.

Unfortunately, defending yourself in this way is difficult and expensive, I how that they have the stamina to last the course. :votive1:
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Post by Joyce » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:15 pm

Almost all members of The Royal Family have paid jobs or their own businesses to support themselves. (The Daily Mail likes to call them 'hangers-on'.) One or two have jobs in public service which are not paid but for which they receive grace and favour accommodation where they put up members of the entourage of visiting foreign heads of state etc. The rest of their time tends to go on voluntary work for the country.
When I took a newspaper I used to enjoy reading the Court Circular ( now available online ) which contained details of which royal duke and/or duchess had visited Nepal to award medals to Gurkhas, chaired a charity committee, negotiated a peace or trade deal with another country, or attended the annual banquet of some skilled workers or other. Nobody has to pay if they want a royal person to make a speech at their dinner, official opening or prizegiving.Unlike ex-politicians or film stars, they don't charges fees and their expenses are met by Her Majesty or The Crown estates ( or what the media somewhat inaccurately like to call 'the taxpayer' ).
It sounds as though Prince Harry thought he could step down from his current position and join the jolly band of the above minor royals. He's much too close to the throne for that. He can't give up being a senior grandson to become a second cousin twice removed. Constitutionally it's all or almost nothing.Like his great-great uncle, he stays just royal enough to be unqualified to stand for parliament. He's not had things easy. He grew up amidst speculation that his mother was executed and that any of her boyfriends could be his father, in addition to all the issues Ernest mentioned. Psychologically he's had enough.

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Post by Joe Parrish » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:18 pm

Ernest wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:49 am
<>he has had to give up much and is also having to find 2.4 million pounds to repay the money paid from the Queens grant for their home at Frogmore Cottage. On the face of it it will bankrupt them, but I presume that they have accepted that <>
Longer term, they will no doubt be able to earn enough to care for themselves, but the costs of security, estimated as hundreds of thousands of £ per year will be an issue. They must have considered that and believe that they can cope, <> :votive1:
I find it difficult to think the courts would bankrupt them for back pay.

Do we know any details of their future security and who is paying now?

You have posed good points to ponder, Ernest.
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Post by Joyce » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:35 pm

Harry's mother left so much money the Prime Minister ( he'd been in banking since he left school so he was a good choice as executor and trustee ) had to give up politics to look after it.
Also, the Duchy of Cornwall's profits are meant for the personal use of The Prince of Wales and his family. Prince Charles has turned it into a profit-generating business. He's giving Harry and Meghan an amount that's intended to tide them over until they're earning.

Grants for restoration,renovation and refurbishment of historic buildings have to be paid back if they are for homes that don't remain occupied. Frogmore Cottage was restored to its earlier state of a single dwelling and modernised. It's now closed down so the money needs to be repaid. I don't think it will bankrupt them.They've spent a lot of their own money on the interior so they'll want to stay there if they do come to the UK for more than a day or two.They'll not be grace and favouring, so they'll have to pay rent.

The police don't give details about the protection of any individual, nor its cost or who pays for it, so we don't know about that. Nevertheless the press still speculate.

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Post by Ernest » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:10 am

Speculation about the costs of their security isn't just in the media. Canada has also posed the question on who will pay for their security, particularly where they will live and how many people will be involved.

It will be for both governments to decide, but whoever provides the security will have quite a high cost. I have seen reports that a minimum of six or 8 full time specialist body guards, highly trained (and paid) will be required, with upto four at a time on duty, each time they go out in public. Security at their home will also be expensive and will need to be upgraded regularly as new risks are identified and new technology appears, which could also be used by any potential attacker against them.

I read somewhere that those high profile celebrities without royal connections have to pay for their own security, so why should Harry and Meghan (and Archie) be any different? I suspect that there will be some sort of compromise involved, with perhaps the household costs being borne by them and the public costs by the government(s) of the UK and Canada. I also suspect we won't be told what is being done, as authorities never comment on security issues like that.

As we wonder about their future, perhaps we should be praying also for those who don't attract such public attention and are also living in danger around the world. They don't attract the interest that the Royals or Celebrities do, but their lives are just as precious. :votive2: :votive2:
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Post by Caroline » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:26 pm

There is no chance that the £2.4m would bankrupt them. As Joyce has said, they are both people of substantial means in their own right.

The royal family is not leaving them high and dry, just ensuring that the tax payer is not paying for members who do not serve the public in any way. 95% of Harry and Meghan's current income comes from Prince Charles (ie the Duchy of Cornwall), and will continue to do so until they have sorted themselves out.
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Post by Pam » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:36 pm

Like Joyce, I seem to remember that William and Harry inherited most of their mother's estate. so must have some money in the bank left over I'd have thought.

Maybe they are thinking ahead to the time when The Cambridge children - who are next in line to the throne after Prince William - are 'senior royals', and feel it's better to establish their own income stream now, rather than later.

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Post by Joyce » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:56 pm

Pam makes a very interesting suggestion, pointing out that Harry and Meghan may be thinking ahead to when the Cambridge children are grown up. Time marches on.
Harry now has cousins several times removed who are still alive and whose children and grandchildren appear at large famiy gatherings or on the balcony, but who work for a living and who provoke the public into a guessing game of who they are.
Glances at old newsreels and photos featuring the Gloucesters and Kents as children no doubt remind Harry that one day you're third in line to the throne and the next thing you know you're twenty eighth or something.
I can remember when Princess Margaret and Princess Alexandra were so important they had royal weddings on the TV and we had a day off school. Over time, assuming Prince William and his children are all willing to take their positions and duties in line to the throne, Harry and his children will be Sarah Chatto and Sophie Winkleman.
On the other hand, for the time being Harry is uncle to the royal children, all minors. History tells us that it doesn't do to make assumptions.

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Post by Joe Parrish » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:26 am

Ernest wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:10 am
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It will be for both governments to decide, but whoever provides the security will have quite a high cost. I have seen reports that a minimum of six or 8 full time specialist body guards, highly trained (and paid) will be required, with upto four at a time on duty, each time they go out in public. Security at their home will also be expensive and will need to be upgraded regularly as new risks are identified and new technology appears, which could also be used by any potential attacker against them.

I read somewhere that those high profile celebrities without royal connections have to pay for their own security, so why should Harry and Meghan (and Archie) be any different? I suspect that there will be some sort of compromise involved, with perhaps the household costs being borne by them and the public costs by the government(s) of the UK and Canada. I also suspect we won't be told what is being done, as authorities never comment on security issues like that.

<> :votive2: :votive2:
Undoubtedly the costs will likely be shared by the Queen and others.
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Post by Joyce » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:42 am

For the sake of security, I doubt very much that the true nature and ptice of the arrangements will be accurately published.

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